In this episode, we turn to the history of the creation of the Brazilian penal code - the landmark of social punitive conduct in the country - to try to understand why, even after 160 years of abolition of slavery, the country still reproduces a colonial and slave relationship with the population. black, reproducing old and new patterns of violence and control. In 1830, the year of the creation of the first code, according to documents from the Senate and the Chamber, the country established different punishments for free and enslaved blacks, leaving blacks with the most severe penalties: death on the gallows and galleys (public works, with individuals chained). Almost two centuries later, the 2020 Brazilian Public Security Yearbook recorded that the police never killed as many as in 2019 and that 80% of the victims were black. With regard to incarceration, two out of three prisoners are black or brown. On the subject, we talk to criminal lawyer Brisa Lima, a member of the Institute for the Defense of the Black Population - IDPN. Brisa notes a harsh reality: that "the jail is the modern slave quarters". And she defends not only the abolition of the police, but also the accountability of the judiciary system.